Dear Prof. Diesen, thanks a lot for your valuable interviews. I appreciate them highly.
I’m trying to write a (new) article on the Ukrainian situation - and wondered how to start this… because politicians and media brainwashed us for more than 3 years now (speaking of the Ukrainian situation).
How to reach the minds and especially the hearts of people that have been filled with hate against (in this case) the Russian people?
I just wrote my motivation first: I’m very grateful for my life (retired social worker/politician/writer), therefore life itself ‘obliges me to write’. For Justice, humanity, for inner peace.
But I don’t write without fact-finding, and checking them twice, three times, or even more, if necessary… And your interviews are important for my research.
So I was very happy that your today’s topic is about media manipulation (next to political manipulation..) Thank you for that. I hope it opens readers’ minds and hearts. And please, do go on! May God bless you.
To both gentlemen, hang in there and please don't give up, don't let them get to you. For 50+ years I have admired the tenacity and hard work of Noam Chomsky, George Orwell, James Baldwin, Chris Hedges and others. I believe there are new thinkers, writers, and speakers being made in these difficult times. Writers that will be read more as time goes on. Diesen is one of them. I recently hunted down two of Chas Freeman's books and am anxious to read those as well.
When anyone purports to prevent misinformation and disinformation from reaching you out of some fake concern for truth, it means they secretly have nothing but contempt for your intellect. Woke left tyrants treat information like a virus against which the unwashed masses must be protected by lockdowns (censorship), mask filters (narratives), and injections (brainwashing).
Instead, information is a body of water in which everyone has personal responsibility to learn how to swim, so that they can effectively move towards the truth. The key aspect is this: Only you have the right to judge information. But the only way you can judge information is by using more information. That's the purpose of free speech, to allow everyone the ability to gather more information of all kinds, and judge it accordingly.
Anyone who wants to control information is by definition your enemy who is trying to control you. If you don't understand this, then you deserve the tyranny you're already getting.
Good discussion. I find it frustrating that there is no list of the people they quote as it is often very difficult to work out their names in the conversation. This was the case with the retired German general. Can you please provide this information.
Yes, Ukraine is in defensive, so ceasefire will only be good for the Kiev-regime, so it can have a break, regroup and get in fresh military supplies from the EU.
The Kiev- regime and the EU are determined to resume the war, as anyone can hear and see, so 30 days ceasefire will thus escalate the war.
Comparatively, many Europeans and politicians have a reasonable understanding of the parallel war between Israel and Palestine, where they see the cause of the war from BOTH sides. But about Ukraine, there is an intellectual circuit, where they exclude background and context as if they were ignorants. "Russia has unprovoked invaded Russia," they yell all of the time, as if they are unaware of the basic fact that an illegal undemocratic (CIA-Kiev) Maidan coup triggered the war . At least the European politicians and the informed part of the European public should know. And probably or of course they know this origin of the war, but is simply corrupt and disintegrated beings.
"Both sides" ? Of what? Palestinians have not invaded or occupied anyone elses land for the past 70 years.
"Israel" has occupied and invaded palestinian land for all that time. With the help of the same European countries that mass-killed jews in Europe a century ago. Clearly they decided to instead join forces and go perpetrate the same on other people around the world,
The civil war in Ukraine and the colonial war of occupation in Ukraine are two completely different situations.
We have been learning how the MSM controls the narrative, though the alt media is now full of it too. It is NOT the EU and Kiev who are determined to keep the war going. They are clearly both puppets of the US. Hegseth told the EU to whip up war against scary Putin and to up their military spending and that's just what they've done, to the letter. The alt media seems to think that Trump wants peace, that there's a peace deal imminent and that the EU is fighting him on this. It's a total fabrication. Team Trump want, explicitly stated, 'division of labour' with the EU weakening Russia and the US pivoting to China (and pivoting back to Russia later if they can). If we don't wake up Trump will feed the EU and UK puppets feet first through the meat grinder just as the last Ukrainian proxy goes in.
You may be right that it is a theatre, where Trump is pretending to search peace and at the same time demanding the Europeans to arm, which means preparing for war against Russia, against who else? China? No. The terrorists that the US and EU supported in Libya and Syria? No. And what more supports your thesis is that Trump is not consistent, following up on his honest talk to Zelensky that the latter, and not Russia started the war. And moreover that Trump doesn´t seem to take action to remove US/Nato missiles that threaten Russia, not only in Ukraine, but also in the other East european countries surrounding Russia. And also start abolishing US/Nato sanctions of course, etc. But Trump may encounter more resistance from the Deep State structure than appears since he can not go that far. - Even that he is draining the swamp and replacing people in strategic positions. And from a Marxist perspective structure means more than voluntarism. But for now I see no other hope or alternative to peace in Ukraine than Trump. Do you? The war Democrats? The European war Russophobes?
Thank you so much for your comments Per. Sensible and perspicacious. Yes, I am right that it’s all theatre to get the Europeans all nationalistic and vive la france; we’re going it alone against the US and Putin! Trump is blaming Z for starting the war, when of course it was the US, including Trump 1.0. Trump could easily stop the war by ceasing to fund it, which he’s choosing not to do. He is actively filling the swamp with neocon warmongerers.
Your question about what is the alternative to Trump’s alleged peace, is very important and cuts to the heart of the matter. Trump has the same agenda, of weakening Russia, as the Democrats, so not them. The Europeans are puppets of this agenda, so not them. So people throw up their hands and cling to this false hope of peace ‘brokered’ by Trump sometime in the future. This is part of the narrative. It stops us from addressing the only hope, which is unconditional surrender by Kiev, with no ‘reasurrance troops’, no EU or NATO presence in Ukraine, ensured neutrality, Russian occupied Donbass remaining so and Putin allowed to root out the (US and UK funded) neonazi Azov element.
This false hope of peace allows the war to continue. Whereas without it, it could all be over. Instead we get Europeans buying US weapons and getting ready to be feed into the meat grinder with the last Ukrainian.
Dear Prof. Diesen, thanks a lot for your valuable interviews. I appreciate them highly.
I’m trying to write a (new) article on the Ukrainian situation - and wondered how to start this… because politicians and media brainwashed us for more than 3 years now (speaking of the Ukrainian situation).
How to reach the minds and especially the hearts of people that have been filled with hate against (in this case) the Russian people?
I just wrote my motivation first: I’m very grateful for my life (retired social worker/politician/writer), therefore life itself ‘obliges me to write’. For Justice, humanity, for inner peace.
But I don’t write without fact-finding, and checking them twice, three times, or even more, if necessary… And your interviews are important for my research.
So I was very happy that your today’s topic is about media manipulation (next to political manipulation..) Thank you for that. I hope it opens readers’ minds and hearts. And please, do go on! May God bless you.
To both gentlemen, hang in there and please don't give up, don't let them get to you. For 50+ years I have admired the tenacity and hard work of Noam Chomsky, George Orwell, James Baldwin, Chris Hedges and others. I believe there are new thinkers, writers, and speakers being made in these difficult times. Writers that will be read more as time goes on. Diesen is one of them. I recently hunted down two of Chas Freeman's books and am anxious to read those as well.
This sounds like Russian propaganda, that has been going on.
Since the cold war! Maybe, that is why US has stopped funding Voice of America.
When anyone purports to prevent misinformation and disinformation from reaching you out of some fake concern for truth, it means they secretly have nothing but contempt for your intellect. Woke left tyrants treat information like a virus against which the unwashed masses must be protected by lockdowns (censorship), mask filters (narratives), and injections (brainwashing).
Instead, information is a body of water in which everyone has personal responsibility to learn how to swim, so that they can effectively move towards the truth. The key aspect is this: Only you have the right to judge information. But the only way you can judge information is by using more information. That's the purpose of free speech, to allow everyone the ability to gather more information of all kinds, and judge it accordingly.
Anyone who wants to control information is by definition your enemy who is trying to control you. If you don't understand this, then you deserve the tyranny you're already getting.
Good discussion. I find it frustrating that there is no list of the people they quote as it is often very difficult to work out their names in the conversation. This was the case with the retired German general. Can you please provide this information.
What are the political and economic incentives for Norwegian politicians to shape public opinion in a way that aligns with a specific narrative?
What economic or institutional incentives drive Dagbladet.no to publish heavily redacted or misleading information about this war?
Yes, Ukraine is in defensive, so ceasefire will only be good for the Kiev-regime, so it can have a break, regroup and get in fresh military supplies from the EU.
The Kiev- regime and the EU are determined to resume the war, as anyone can hear and see, so 30 days ceasefire will thus escalate the war.
Comparatively, many Europeans and politicians have a reasonable understanding of the parallel war between Israel and Palestine, where they see the cause of the war from BOTH sides. But about Ukraine, there is an intellectual circuit, where they exclude background and context as if they were ignorants. "Russia has unprovoked invaded Russia," they yell all of the time, as if they are unaware of the basic fact that an illegal undemocratic (CIA-Kiev) Maidan coup triggered the war . At least the European politicians and the informed part of the European public should know. And probably or of course they know this origin of the war, but is simply corrupt and disintegrated beings.
"Both sides" ? Of what? Palestinians have not invaded or occupied anyone elses land for the past 70 years.
"Israel" has occupied and invaded palestinian land for all that time. With the help of the same European countries that mass-killed jews in Europe a century ago. Clearly they decided to instead join forces and go perpetrate the same on other people around the world,
The civil war in Ukraine and the colonial war of occupation in Ukraine are two completely different situations.
Well, the debate about Palestine is more diverse than the debate about Ukraine whatever.
Its a genocide and apartheid in Palestine., not a "debate".
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976
https://www.icj.org/palestine-israel-international-court-of-justices-advisory-opinion-on-israels-unlawful-presence-in-palestine-is-an-important-step-towards-justice-and-self-determination/
We have been learning how the MSM controls the narrative, though the alt media is now full of it too. It is NOT the EU and Kiev who are determined to keep the war going. They are clearly both puppets of the US. Hegseth told the EU to whip up war against scary Putin and to up their military spending and that's just what they've done, to the letter. The alt media seems to think that Trump wants peace, that there's a peace deal imminent and that the EU is fighting him on this. It's a total fabrication. Team Trump want, explicitly stated, 'division of labour' with the EU weakening Russia and the US pivoting to China (and pivoting back to Russia later if they can). If we don't wake up Trump will feed the EU and UK puppets feet first through the meat grinder just as the last Ukrainian proxy goes in.
You may be right that it is a theatre, where Trump is pretending to search peace and at the same time demanding the Europeans to arm, which means preparing for war against Russia, against who else? China? No. The terrorists that the US and EU supported in Libya and Syria? No. And what more supports your thesis is that Trump is not consistent, following up on his honest talk to Zelensky that the latter, and not Russia started the war. And moreover that Trump doesn´t seem to take action to remove US/Nato missiles that threaten Russia, not only in Ukraine, but also in the other East european countries surrounding Russia. And also start abolishing US/Nato sanctions of course, etc. But Trump may encounter more resistance from the Deep State structure than appears since he can not go that far. - Even that he is draining the swamp and replacing people in strategic positions. And from a Marxist perspective structure means more than voluntarism. But for now I see no other hope or alternative to peace in Ukraine than Trump. Do you? The war Democrats? The European war Russophobes?
Thank you so much for your comments Per. Sensible and perspicacious. Yes, I am right that it’s all theatre to get the Europeans all nationalistic and vive la france; we’re going it alone against the US and Putin! Trump is blaming Z for starting the war, when of course it was the US, including Trump 1.0. Trump could easily stop the war by ceasing to fund it, which he’s choosing not to do. He is actively filling the swamp with neocon warmongerers.
Your question about what is the alternative to Trump’s alleged peace, is very important and cuts to the heart of the matter. Trump has the same agenda, of weakening Russia, as the Democrats, so not them. The Europeans are puppets of this agenda, so not them. So people throw up their hands and cling to this false hope of peace ‘brokered’ by Trump sometime in the future. This is part of the narrative. It stops us from addressing the only hope, which is unconditional surrender by Kiev, with no ‘reasurrance troops’, no EU or NATO presence in Ukraine, ensured neutrality, Russian occupied Donbass remaining so and Putin allowed to root out the (US and UK funded) neonazi Azov element.
This false hope of peace allows the war to continue. Whereas without it, it could all be over. Instead we get Europeans buying US weapons and getting ready to be feed into the meat grinder with the last Ukrainian.