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jsarnak's avatar

Whenever I think Trump and his merry band of NeoCons can't say anything else to show how they really do not have a plan, Trump will make another stupid statement. The ever changing rhetoric in regards to Iran is almost as senseless as his "I am mad at Putin" statements. Is this really what Americans want from our President? We forced Russia to destroy Ukraine and now our President is "mad at Putin", are we a bunch of middle schoolers on the playground?

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William Bowles's avatar

First, hubris but the USIsrael have been talking about invading Iran for decades, so what makes the latest threats any different? Of course, if the US view Israel as an expendable asset, all bets are off but are the US ruling class really that out of touch with reality? Are they really so desperate as to risk the chance of a regional war with an unknown outcome? And what of the environmental disaster that would follow destruction of Iran's nuclear infrastructure, a disaster that would contaminate much of West Asia. I think the joker in the pack is Israel and their messianic, psychopathic, fascist leaders and it seems, most of Israel's population.

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The Cabbage Patch Kid's avatar

Yep. The level of Israeli national support this extremist malevolence is garnering is truly shocking given the country's history.

In many aspects Israel's behaviours are directly analogous with the Nazis.

Little wonder that the genuine Far Right in the West are becoming more aligned with the Zionists.

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William Bowles's avatar

Shocking? Given its history as a settler colonialist entity, its actions are entirely predictable. First, dispossession then extermination.

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The Cabbage Patch Kid's avatar

Perhaps I'm just more than a little naive.

Just can't imagine literally millions of 'civilised' people ever supporting this given the weight they endlessly give to their history.

How on earth do they think this will possibly end?

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William Bowles's avatar

Victimhood sustains them. And don't forget, they're European settlers, dealing with the 'other', Brown unpeople. What sustained exterminating the original inhabitants of the Americas or Australia?

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ikester8's avatar

I think interia and fear sustain Israel in the West's eyes more than anything. Most people here are just trying to get by, late-stage crony capitalism being what it is, and what happens thousands of miles away mostly doesn't affect them directly. If Israel's behavior toward the Palestinians wasn't so obviously monstrous and genocidal, it might be easy to ignore it. And even if there's a large number of Westerners who are angry about the Palestinian Genocide, they are generally cowed by Israeli propaganda that anti-Zionism is equal to anti-Judaism. It's not, of course, but tell the brainwashed Christian Zionists and Israel's puppets in Congress that.

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jsarnak's avatar

Do you even know what "far right" means in the west? It is apparent you get your news from the corrupt corporate media. There is NO real "right wing" in the U.S. that will ever align themselves with the Jews. Stop being so easily brainwashed

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The Cabbage Patch Kid's avatar

It's certainly complicated and there's more than an expedient element of my enemy's enemy is my friend I'm sure.

Some of these European parties sprung from identifiable neo-nazi roots and have had in the past openly white supremacist agendas and chosen to affiliate themselves with similar groups in the US.

Ironically, a number of these groups have also been 'Holocaust deniers' and yet today they are cheerfully climbing into bed with the extremist Zionist elements in Israel.

I'll leave you to work out why that might be....

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ikester8's avatar

Christian Zionism is a hell of a drug, I guess. It's poisoned generations of otherwise moral Americans. I'm not sure if that insidious meme has infected other populations but I sure as hell see it on prominent display amongst our more weak-brained American citizens.

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Mark Smit's avatar

Of course Israel will invade, they have no conscience, remorse, or logic. USA will not deter the zionists/fascists. It will cost them dearly if they do.

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Didi's avatar

US - Iran nuclear “talk” is another deceitful way to allow mobilisation of Irael-US weapons of destruction strike. Iran must NEVER TRUST the US period!

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David Latin's avatar

The interview did not consider all the facets to the crisis.

I feel that a secret deal may have been done with Russia to not support Iran, with the pulling out of the US from directly supporting Ukraine. The alliance between Russia and Iran does not include military assistance. And Iran is considerably weakened now with the marginalisation of Hezbollah and other allied militias.

After US dropped Nuclear bombs on Japan 80 years ago, Trump may decide to use small Nuclear weapons on Iran (they are much more precise and focussed now, largely avoiding nuclear fallout for Israel). This would avoid his humiliation with other failures such as the tariffs.

Otherwise, an Electromagnetic Pulse could apparently also be used to destroy Iranian electronics. And, of course, Turkey has worked against Iran in the past.

These all culminate in the likelihood of an attack on Iran. Iran has emboldened its enemies by only retaliating in a minimal way in the past after assassinations of its Scientists, Generals, ...and even possibly President Raisi.

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ikester8's avatar

Excellent interview, thank you. The point that I had not heard before was that Iran might change its nuclear posture in the aftermath of an attack. Iran would be perfectly justified in doing so, and depending how close they are to breakout with 95% enriched uranium, or whether they've figured out the plutonium extraction process, we would see a marked difference in West Asian politics almost instantly. Israel would become even more isolated, perhaps even to the point where they have to start dealing with their neighbors and Arab subjects realistically. I also appreciate that both of you touched on the "fear and vaunting" aspect of the West's relations with the rest of the world, which would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

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Mark Smit's avatar

Iran dont need nukes to swat Israel like a fly. However an attack may change their mindset, currently at 60% enrichment, 90-95% required

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