Zelensky should never have been in the White House and likely never will again. He's the failed usurper of a failed state. He has zero legitimacy inside or outside Ukraine, except in the retarded public narratives of the people using him to destroy Ukraine for their own political purposes.
The sooner he's discarded the better for everyone.
And the people using him are consistently being discarded by their own voters. People aren't as stupid as our political class want to believe.
Thank you for this. You are right. Zelensky is a puppet. He was no doubt chosen because he is psychologically lacking a conscience, and any common sense. He worked for Biden and those who controlled him, and Obama. The diplomacy JD Vance refers to, will never happen, as Zelensky will only continue to boast his narrative of hate for Putin because that is what he is paid for. Trump is wasting his time. Zelensky is way too much of a child to step out from his scripted position to make a deal with Trump and to have any negotiation with Putin. Very, very sad. It looks like, no peace in sight.
The fact that it did occur in public exposes the sham (and shamelessness) of a leader who sends the young men of his nation to die ignominiously — and who commits to sending even more — and wants a backstop of your own nation’s youth.
Starmer has already agreed to send British forces. Hardly surprising as he is raising his own children as converso Jews (presumably they will be spared as the transfer of power is completed in the UK).
The whole narrative from Ukraine and their backers revolves around emotions and feelings. Once an individual takes a step back and have a logical and pragmatic look, the narrative falls apart. That is the reason J.D Vance stated that when Ukraine is visited visitors are taken on a propaganda tour as the goal is perception management. This is a very dangerous precident. As the world today is too easily fooled and public perception too easily deceived even though information is readily available. As for the last three years the world was again on the brink of a global conflict. Thanks to the efforts of the alternative media, the patience, pragmatism and prudence of the Russian government and other world leaders a global disaster was averted.
Wow, you're smart in many ways but way out of your depth with Trump and Zelensky. Both are media professionals. They both knew what they were doing. There was no misunderstanding. Trump doesn't give a rat's patooty about Zelensky disrespecting the USA. He cares about Zelensky disrespecting Trump by taking Biden's side in the recent election, helping with the Russiagate stuff in the previous election, not helping to incriminate Biden with Burisma, etc. Zelensky was set up for a mob style stab in the back. Search YouTube for clip from Goodfellas on how Tommy got whacked when he thought he was going to be "made" (into full member of the Cosa Nostra). I'm sure Trump had this very scene in mind. Similar scenes in all the gangster movies: you smile and pretend to be forgiving past conflicts while maneuvering to stick the knife in, give the enemy poisoned drink, etc. Zelensky disrespected Trump, therefore Zelensky has to be punished. It's that simple.
And Zelensky was well aware he was being set up. He wanted to be a martyr and endear himself to the super patriots. The alternative is horrible to contemplate, so he took the easy way which will work in the short-run but not the long run.
Normally I would agree that this meeting should have been done at closed doors. But we also know what the Trump detractors would say and lie as they always have done. What the yesterday's event mean is that Trump is a very good learner and strategist, building an event that destroys Zelensky and protects his role and place is this US pullout of the Ukrainian war. I think it was a master's play from someone who tries to avoid the same mistakes made in his first presidency.
If you were Zelensky, would you have signed that deal? He's lost some territory, but signing that deal means he loses the peace as well. He was right not to sign that. And why does he need the US to get a deal with Putin? He got a deal once already. His only mistake was believing the US and UK would be with him "as long as it takes." That press conference showed his people what he already understood. The US and UK are very dangerous. I hope the rest of Europe will get this through their thick skulls and act accordingly as soon as possible.
When congressional delegations, senators, ambassadors, diplomats, intelligence agency people, military advisors and businessmen come from America or the UK and tell you that they'll be with you until the end or even that they're here to help, smile, say thank you, and do the opposite of what they want you to do. You will live a little longer. This message is for you, Baltics people. If you are coming up in nearly every conversation, you're already in trouble. The world that you depended on has died, the foundation was built on sand, and who knows, maybe this is a golden opportunity to get out from under the American/UK umbrella/shadow. Russia is Russia, and you know Russia much better than the Americans. It's much worse to think you have a friend, and when the clinch comes, the friend trades you out. Poland, Finland, and to some extent the other Visegrad countries get it. You've been a shield for Western Europe since the beginning of history. How to deal with western europe, then? Start by demanding easing of Brussels' dictates on energy, agriculture and environmental rules to build up primary industries. Maybe by setting an example of strength, Western Europeans will find their strength and voice. And by showing Putin that you are your own men, he has less reason to claim you are just puppets of Washington and London. As Stalin did with Mannerheim, and lord knows, Putin is no Stalin. Sticking with the US is going to lead to doom. And I think Zelensky just showed that. He knows he's lost the war, and by not signing that minerals deal, he's trying to see if he can save the peace. If he'd have signed it, they would have been done forever. The US is not your friend.
Right, the Biden Democrats, the EU and the leaders of the EU countries have at no time adopted a diplomatic tone, only black and white hate speech against the one part. Sadly , there are apparently no responsibly corrective political parties in Europe.
I think that’s what Europe is trying to manoeuvre him into but I don’t think he’ll take the bait. He knows the US would lose and Trump doesn’t like to lose. I think he’s trying to manage the transition from the US hegemony to a multipolar world ruled by China, the US and Russia. Old Europe is desperately trying to thwart that. WW3 looms.
I don't think any of those things. Trump wants to physically increase US territory, not just have neoliberal control of vassals, in Canada and Greenland etc. He's stated that he wants to, and can, divide Russia from China. He wants to re-industrialise the US. He wants continued hegemony and to challenge China. Old Europe is so used to having a puppet master they haven't got a clue want they're doing. Uk policy is not to talk to Russia. They may well send a few platoons to get massacred, but there won't be a WWIII. They won't change the outcome. Russia has all the cards, it will just grind on until it has the whole of Ukraine and all the security guarantees it could dream of.
The EU will stand up and expand its influence over Europe not Russia. The US government should step back and give up on the notion of making more money from Ukraine. Focus on coopetition with China and rebuilding US manufacturing.
I'd say that the cunning plan hatched by Z, Starmer and Macron to trap the USA was sign posted in mile high neon lights and could be seen from orbit. The Mineral deal was maybe a sort of a security guarantee but in reality also a fig leaf allowing Mr T to walk whilst claiming a win. Anyway, it was a worrying development from Russia's point of view but looks like now it is over unless Z is replaced by a tame stooge. Civil war or palace coup? But looks like the USA is walking.
All regimes utilize propaganda, but the US is so supersaturated with fictitious narratives that virtually no dissenting perspectives are heard. Positions of one or another section of the ruling class have virtually complete narrative control.
Yet despite that, the narratives have seldom been regarded with such contempt. US citizens are becoming borderline political nihilists.
When narratives cease to work, the state must govern through the gun barrel.
Cokehead managed to keep it together for the first half an hour and then he misspoke: He said JD Vance spoke loudly and that triggered Trump and it went downhill. That is why you use a translator if you are not proficient in a foreign language, гласно is not exactly the same as loudly in English.
I was totally fine with it
Zelensky should never have been in the White House and likely never will again. He's the failed usurper of a failed state. He has zero legitimacy inside or outside Ukraine, except in the retarded public narratives of the people using him to destroy Ukraine for their own political purposes.
The sooner he's discarded the better for everyone.
And the people using him are consistently being discarded by their own voters. People aren't as stupid as our political class want to believe.
Thank you for this. You are right. Zelensky is a puppet. He was no doubt chosen because he is psychologically lacking a conscience, and any common sense. He worked for Biden and those who controlled him, and Obama. The diplomacy JD Vance refers to, will never happen, as Zelensky will only continue to boast his narrative of hate for Putin because that is what he is paid for. Trump is wasting his time. Zelensky is way too much of a child to step out from his scripted position to make a deal with Trump and to have any negotiation with Putin. Very, very sad. It looks like, no peace in sight.
Solid analysis until your last statement.
The fact that it did occur in public exposes the sham (and shamelessness) of a leader who sends the young men of his nation to die ignominiously — and who commits to sending even more — and wants a backstop of your own nation’s youth.
Starmer has already agreed to send British forces. Hardly surprising as he is raising his own children as converso Jews (presumably they will be spared as the transfer of power is completed in the UK).
The whole narrative from Ukraine and their backers revolves around emotions and feelings. Once an individual takes a step back and have a logical and pragmatic look, the narrative falls apart. That is the reason J.D Vance stated that when Ukraine is visited visitors are taken on a propaganda tour as the goal is perception management. This is a very dangerous precident. As the world today is too easily fooled and public perception too easily deceived even though information is readily available. As for the last three years the world was again on the brink of a global conflict. Thanks to the efforts of the alternative media, the patience, pragmatism and prudence of the Russian government and other world leaders a global disaster was averted.
Thank goodness it was done in public on a human level for all to see the fraud of the Ukraine War .
Hilarious!
Wow, you're smart in many ways but way out of your depth with Trump and Zelensky. Both are media professionals. They both knew what they were doing. There was no misunderstanding. Trump doesn't give a rat's patooty about Zelensky disrespecting the USA. He cares about Zelensky disrespecting Trump by taking Biden's side in the recent election, helping with the Russiagate stuff in the previous election, not helping to incriminate Biden with Burisma, etc. Zelensky was set up for a mob style stab in the back. Search YouTube for clip from Goodfellas on how Tommy got whacked when he thought he was going to be "made" (into full member of the Cosa Nostra). I'm sure Trump had this very scene in mind. Similar scenes in all the gangster movies: you smile and pretend to be forgiving past conflicts while maneuvering to stick the knife in, give the enemy poisoned drink, etc. Zelensky disrespected Trump, therefore Zelensky has to be punished. It's that simple.
And Zelensky was well aware he was being set up. He wanted to be a martyr and endear himself to the super patriots. The alternative is horrible to contemplate, so he took the easy way which will work in the short-run but not the long run.
Trump stabbed Zelensky in the chest, not the back. Otherwise, I agree with your comment Frank Revelo.
What if it was meant to make Zelensky too toxic for the US deep state to support? It would be to benefit Trump.
Lindsey Graham did just ask Zelensky to step down.
Normally I would agree that this meeting should have been done at closed doors. But we also know what the Trump detractors would say and lie as they always have done. What the yesterday's event mean is that Trump is a very good learner and strategist, building an event that destroys Zelensky and protects his role and place is this US pullout of the Ukrainian war. I think it was a master's play from someone who tries to avoid the same mistakes made in his first presidency.
If you were Zelensky, would you have signed that deal? He's lost some territory, but signing that deal means he loses the peace as well. He was right not to sign that. And why does he need the US to get a deal with Putin? He got a deal once already. His only mistake was believing the US and UK would be with him "as long as it takes." That press conference showed his people what he already understood. The US and UK are very dangerous. I hope the rest of Europe will get this through their thick skulls and act accordingly as soon as possible.
When congressional delegations, senators, ambassadors, diplomats, intelligence agency people, military advisors and businessmen come from America or the UK and tell you that they'll be with you until the end or even that they're here to help, smile, say thank you, and do the opposite of what they want you to do. You will live a little longer. This message is for you, Baltics people. If you are coming up in nearly every conversation, you're already in trouble. The world that you depended on has died, the foundation was built on sand, and who knows, maybe this is a golden opportunity to get out from under the American/UK umbrella/shadow. Russia is Russia, and you know Russia much better than the Americans. It's much worse to think you have a friend, and when the clinch comes, the friend trades you out. Poland, Finland, and to some extent the other Visegrad countries get it. You've been a shield for Western Europe since the beginning of history. How to deal with western europe, then? Start by demanding easing of Brussels' dictates on energy, agriculture and environmental rules to build up primary industries. Maybe by setting an example of strength, Western Europeans will find their strength and voice. And by showing Putin that you are your own men, he has less reason to claim you are just puppets of Washington and London. As Stalin did with Mannerheim, and lord knows, Putin is no Stalin. Sticking with the US is going to lead to doom. And I think Zelensky just showed that. He knows he's lost the war, and by not signing that minerals deal, he's trying to see if he can save the peace. If he'd have signed it, they would have been done forever. The US is not your friend.
That was more diplomacy during 10 minutes than the previous 3 years! And Trump will be the one who are still standing when the counting is over...
Right, the Biden Democrats, the EU and the leaders of the EU countries have at no time adopted a diplomatic tone, only black and white hate speech against the one part. Sadly , there are apparently no responsibly corrective political parties in Europe.
It was showtime and the only message from Trump was: “You’re fired!!”
This is a perfect opportunity for Trump to walk away from Project Ukraine completely, but he won't. This war will become his Vietnam.
I think that’s what Europe is trying to manoeuvre him into but I don’t think he’ll take the bait. He knows the US would lose and Trump doesn’t like to lose. I think he’s trying to manage the transition from the US hegemony to a multipolar world ruled by China, the US and Russia. Old Europe is desperately trying to thwart that. WW3 looms.
I don't think any of those things. Trump wants to physically increase US territory, not just have neoliberal control of vassals, in Canada and Greenland etc. He's stated that he wants to, and can, divide Russia from China. He wants to re-industrialise the US. He wants continued hegemony and to challenge China. Old Europe is so used to having a puppet master they haven't got a clue want they're doing. Uk policy is not to talk to Russia. They may well send a few platoons to get massacred, but there won't be a WWIII. They won't change the outcome. Russia has all the cards, it will just grind on until it has the whole of Ukraine and all the security guarantees it could dream of.
The EU will stand up and expand its influence over Europe not Russia. The US government should step back and give up on the notion of making more money from Ukraine. Focus on coopetition with China and rebuilding US manufacturing.
I'd say that the cunning plan hatched by Z, Starmer and Macron to trap the USA was sign posted in mile high neon lights and could be seen from orbit. The Mineral deal was maybe a sort of a security guarantee but in reality also a fig leaf allowing Mr T to walk whilst claiming a win. Anyway, it was a worrying development from Russia's point of view but looks like now it is over unless Z is replaced by a tame stooge. Civil war or palace coup? But looks like the USA is walking.
It all went fine until 39min when Little Z decided to lecture JayDee.
From there it spiralled exposing an actor turned president that he's just a mere low budget soap actor
I really wonder — as long as suicidal Europe is supporting him, I do not have much hope for: “Zelensky may abandon his delusions”.
All regimes utilize propaganda, but the US is so supersaturated with fictitious narratives that virtually no dissenting perspectives are heard. Positions of one or another section of the ruling class have virtually complete narrative control.
Yet despite that, the narratives have seldom been regarded with such contempt. US citizens are becoming borderline political nihilists.
When narratives cease to work, the state must govern through the gun barrel.
All states govern via the barrel of a gun.
Sometimes it's more obvious than others but it's always there.
Anyone who tells you any different will lie about other things too.
Cokehead managed to keep it together for the first half an hour and then he misspoke: He said JD Vance spoke loudly and that triggered Trump and it went downhill. That is why you use a translator if you are not proficient in a foreign language, гласно is not exactly the same as loudly in English.