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ScuzzaMan's avatar

I was totally fine with it

Zelensky should never have been in the White House and likely never will again. He's the failed usurper of a failed state. He has zero legitimacy inside or outside Ukraine, except in the retarded public narratives of the people using him to destroy Ukraine for their own political purposes.

The sooner he's discarded the better for everyone.

And the people using him are consistently being discarded by their own voters. People aren't as stupid as our political class want to believe.

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Hillary Han's avatar

Thank you for this. You are right. Zelensky is a puppet. He was no doubt chosen because he is psychologically lacking a conscience, and any common sense. He worked for Biden and those who controlled him, and Obama. The diplomacy JD Vance refers to, will never happen, as Zelensky will only continue to boast his narrative of hate for Putin because that is what he is paid for. Trump is wasting his time. Zelensky is way too much of a child to step out from his scripted position to make a deal with Trump and to have any negotiation with Putin. Very, very sad. It looks like, no peace in sight.

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

I have been shocked to discover how many people I know here in the U.S. who believe every lie and piece of warmongering propaganda the mainstream media has been pushing since 2014 regarding Russia and Ukraine. There are plenty of people who aren't ordinarily stupid, but who are ignorant of history and politics and believe what they are told. A friend of mine stunned me this morning by reciting every bit of propaganda against Russia and in support of the Nazis in Ukraine that comes out of imperialist think tanks and the captive press. There is a real danger ahead if these numbers increase.

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ScuzzaMan's avatar

Discussions of Zelensky behaving like a crack addict who has destroyed every relaitonship in his life but it's never his fault, and the knowledge that the CIA and friends have been experimenting for decades with using drugs to turn people into wind up toys, led to the thought that this might also explain why Zelensky appears to so passionately believe in ideas that are patently nonsense. Totally delusional and perhaps psychotic. Maybe he really is living in a completely manufactured reality matrix and possibly deserves more pity than contempt?

Just a thought.

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Loon's avatar

Thank goodness it was done in public on a human level for all to see the fraud of the Ukraine War .

Hilarious!

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Seeker's avatar

The whole narrative from Ukraine and their backers revolves around emotions and feelings. Once an individual takes a step back and have a logical and pragmatic look, the narrative falls apart. That is the reason J.D Vance stated that when Ukraine is visited visitors are taken on a propaganda tour as the goal is perception management. This is a very dangerous precident. As the world today is too easily fooled and public perception too easily deceived even though information is readily available. As for the last three years the world was again on the brink of a global conflict. Thanks to the efforts of the alternative media, the patience, pragmatism and prudence of the Russian government and other world leaders a global disaster was averted.

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Klonda56's avatar

Actually this very event is what’s being used to manipulate feeling. To fool people into thinking all of this is a real difference and Zelensky is reluctant when in fact he always was a western puppet. A creation.

I doubt the Russians will bite on it. They are not as gullible as the western public annd social media are.

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J Huizinga's avatar

Solid analysis until your last statement.

The fact that it did occur in public exposes the sham (and shamelessness) of a leader who sends the young men of his nation to die ignominiously — and who commits to sending even more — and wants a backstop of your own nation’s youth.

Starmer has already agreed to send British forces. Hardly surprising as he is raising his own children as converso Jews (presumably they will be spared as the transfer of power is completed in the UK).

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

The UK military is not large enough to do anything on its own.

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J Huizinga's avatar

True but really not the point. Everything is sus about Kweir Starmer.

Alex Krainer has a hypothesis that the UK and Ukraine have already signed an agreement on the alleged resources (which Starmer is attempting to bank right now) which is why the Z didn’t bring an agreement with him.

Moreover, the UK and Ukraine signed a “100 year partnership agreement” in Kiev in January. Hmmm wonder what that means…

Rumbling is heard in the horizon…will there be “guns in August” as there were in 1914 when Britain initiated the First World War?

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Kurvingrad's avatar

It all went fine until 39min when Little Z decided to lecture JayDee.

From there it spiralled exposing an actor turned president that he's just a mere low budget soap actor

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2033ICP's avatar

It was showtime and the only message from Trump was: “You’re fired!!”

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Carlos Alberto Gomes's avatar

Normally I would agree that this meeting should have been done at closed doors. But we also know what the Trump detractors would say and lie as they always have done. What the yesterday's event mean is that Trump is a very good learner and strategist, building an event that destroys Zelensky and protects his role and place is this US pullout of the Ukrainian war. I think it was a master's play from someone who tries to avoid the same mistakes made in his first presidency.

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Carolyn L Zaremba's avatar

Except that for supporters of the Democratic Party (of which I am NOT one, I am a socialist), who are defending Zelenskyy and posting sickening praise graphics as though Zelenskyy was a great hero defending democracy. One does not know whether to laugh or cry.

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Frank Revelo's avatar

Wow, you're smart in many ways but way out of your depth with Trump and Zelensky. Both are media professionals. They both knew what they were doing. There was no misunderstanding. Trump doesn't give a rat's patooty about Zelensky disrespecting the USA. He cares about Zelensky disrespecting Trump by taking Biden's side in the recent election, helping with the Russiagate stuff in the previous election, not helping to incriminate Biden with Burisma, etc. Zelensky was set up for a mob style stab in the back. Search YouTube for clip from Goodfellas on how Tommy got whacked when he thought he was going to be "made" (into full member of the Cosa Nostra). I'm sure Trump had this very scene in mind. Similar scenes in all the gangster movies: you smile and pretend to be forgiving past conflicts while maneuvering to stick the knife in, give the enemy poisoned drink, etc. Zelensky disrespected Trump, therefore Zelensky has to be punished. It's that simple.

And Zelensky was well aware he was being set up. He wanted to be a martyr and endear himself to the super patriots. The alternative is horrible to contemplate, so he took the easy way which will work in the short-run but not the long run.

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Daniel Beegan's avatar

Trump stabbed Zelensky in the chest, not the back. Otherwise, I agree with your comment Frank Revelo.

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Anonymous's avatar

This is a perfect opportunity for Trump to walk away from Project Ukraine completely, but he won't. This war will become his Vietnam.

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FreeFrench's avatar

I think that’s what Europe is trying to manoeuvre him into but I don’t think he’ll take the bait. He knows the US would lose and Trump doesn’t like to lose. I think he’s trying to manage the transition from the US hegemony to a multipolar world ruled by China, the US and Russia. Old Europe is desperately trying to thwart that. WW3 looms.

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Jo Waller's avatar

I don't think any of those things. Trump wants to physically increase US territory, not just have neoliberal control of vassals, in Canada and Greenland etc. He's stated that he wants to, and can, divide Russia from China. He wants to re-industrialise the US. He wants continued hegemony and to challenge China. Old Europe is so used to having a puppet master they haven't got a clue want they're doing. Uk policy is not to talk to Russia. They may well send a few platoons to get massacred, but there won't be a WWIII. They won't change the outcome. Russia has all the cards, it will just grind on until it has the whole of Ukraine and all the security guarantees it could dream of.

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Arlene Kahn's avatar

AAnd how do you know all those things? From his public pronouncements? His public statements often have no connection to his actions. Zelensky already sold Ukraine to US vulture capitalists.

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Jo Waller's avatar

How do I know what Trump has said he wants? By listening to what he's said he wants. It's true he doesn't have to do what he says, but there's no indication he wants to share mulitpolarity with China. Yes, Trump wants to trade with Russia, especially the goodies in Ukraine, which involves talking to them and lifting sanctions, but that's not the same as sharing power.

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Arlene Kahn's avatar

I guess you'll have to wait and see how things play out. He may realize the only way to maintain the US economically is to share power.

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Jo Waller's avatar

Given his drill -baby- drill and burn- baby- burn stance in response to the accelerating climate crisis, I don’t think pragmatism is his strong suit.

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lydistan's avatar

And GB!

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Brad Buss's avatar

The EU will stand up and expand its influence over Europe not Russia. The US government should step back and give up on the notion of making more money from Ukraine. Focus on coopetition with China and rebuilding US manufacturing.

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Jo Waller's avatar

The EU seems to be fragmenting, not expanding.

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Brad Buss's avatar

How so?

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Jo Waller's avatar

The EU nations are mostly vassals of the US and the new guys Trump and Musk don't like the bureaucrats at the EU nor NATO. They like direct control so they're encouraging the rise of right wing nationalism such as the afD and Reform. It's going well.

The German economy in particular has been trashed by the US. They may talk big over fighting Russia but now will have to put their economies first.

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Brad Buss's avatar

Fair enough re EU countries following the US. But when / if the US withdraws support then their leverage reduces. I'm hopeful that the Europeans will see this opportunity under the threat of Russian aggression and unite.

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Arlene Kahn's avatar

Disagreements between sovereign governments and their citizens. You have, what, 27 countries with long histories of conflict and an EU bureaucracy so afraid of democracy they'll do everything in their power, including arresting political candidates they don't like and restricting their activities, to maintain control over those countries.

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marcjf's avatar

I'd say that the cunning plan hatched by Z, Starmer and Macron to trap the USA was sign posted in mile high neon lights and could be seen from orbit. The Mineral deal was maybe a sort of a security guarantee but in reality also a fig leaf allowing Mr T to walk whilst claiming a win. Anyway, it was a worrying development from Russia's point of view but looks like now it is over unless Z is replaced by a tame stooge. Civil war or palace coup? But looks like the USA is walking.

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Arlene Kahn's avatar

Putin reportedly has someone in mind to replace Zelensky and Zelensky is reportedly arresting people connected to Zaluzhny. That's how afraid he is of losing control of the money laundering operation.

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Arlene Kahn's avatar

Or, he's setting it up to walk away. He has made no plans, at least publicly, to request more funding for Ukraine or to send weapons not already promised. Furthermore, he is negotiating with Russia on a wide range of issues and basically closed the door on Zelensky.

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Sladkovian's avatar

I wish people would stop telling Zelenski to wear a suit and tie

our range of commando goblin wear is very lucrative business

just like Victor Kiam "I loved it so much, I bought the company!"

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Klonda56's avatar

The independent media need to quickly become more discerning. They are being played like a fiddle.

This is most likely a staged “argument” just like that “hot mic” event with Joe Biden. A manufactured debate. Because this public meetings are not off the cuff. If you have been invoking these public events with heads of state they are actually scripted and timed. Scripted to the level of who does what when.

So this fake debate is just bait being hung out for you to bite on and serve up to your audience to MIS-direct them.

Not everything needs to be amplified real time. Take more time to reflect ASSESS and put things in context of what is learned.

Real time knee jerking is the problem and it’s what needs to change ASAP.

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mary-lou's avatar

where T and Z are comfortable at play-acting, JD sucks, pretending he can act.

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Chian Wen Chan's avatar

What if it was meant to make Zelensky too toxic for the US deep state to support? It would be to benefit Trump.

Lindsey Graham did just ask Zelensky to step down.

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Arnt Steen's avatar

That was more diplomacy during 10 minutes than the previous 3 years! And Trump will be the one who are still standing when the counting is over...

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Per Dørup's avatar

Right, the Biden Democrats, the EU and the leaders of the EU countries have at no time adopted a diplomatic tone, only black and white hate speech against the one part. Sadly , there are apparently no responsibly corrective political parties in Europe.

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mary-lou's avatar

there are, but notwithstanding gaining significant support in their respective national elections, they're kept outside of any coalition. or the leaders of these populist parties are arrested (Georgia; Romania; Serbia). this is very frustrating.

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Per Dørup's avatar

Well, I don´t buy the imperialist defined populist right wing concept. The leaders of the mentioned parties are in fact moderate in comparison to the extreme right wing warmongering foreign policy the so-called moderate European governments pursue. The mentioned so-called right wing populist leaders also pursue a far more socially balanced economic policy.

They may have a stricter migration policy realising that there are limits how many refugees and migrants their societies can absorb.

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mary-lou's avatar

the mass migration into Europe and the US is manufactured by some very sick-minded men and their policies (and going back to the horror that was the Vietnam war), leaving ordinary people everywhere to try to deal with it because their governments can't handle its consequences - https://cynthiachung.substack.com/p/a-republic-if-we-can-phoenix-it-bret

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tre peperoncini's avatar

Not disastrous, it was a glorious, it was a wondrous a spectacle to behold, a historical moment unfolded, planed or spontaneous, the masks were removed, the facade pull away.

For years we have been forced to watch a monotony of acts at the theater of the absurd, the depth of those evil acts may remain forever unfathomable.

Now if these new devils who dared remove their masks and turned this stage into a improve theater do in fact stop the killing, I for one will stand give them applause.

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Igor's avatar

Great analysis and the conclusion! The problem remains with the European leadership and their stubbornness in delusions about the prospects of the Ukraine war. We can see that from the unwavering support to Zelensky and the warmongering sparks after the show. Who can ground down the EU to reality while it is being led by von der Leyen, Kallas, Macron and the like?

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Dragan Milivojević's avatar

Cokehead managed to keep it together for the first half an hour and then he misspoke: He said JD Vance spoke loudly and that triggered Trump and it went downhill. That is why you use a translator if you are not proficient in a foreign language, гласно is not exactly the same as loudly in English.

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mary-lou's avatar

interesting

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