I think Slovakia is a much more interesting "case study in dissent" in Europe - but of course, with Fico being a reasonably authentic Leftist it's example is much less interesting to the conservative commentators that unfortunately seem to have monopolized the debate - and cosequently Slovakia is studiously ignored.
But hasn't Fico has only relatively recently moved away from the liberal orthodoxy of Brussels?
But to substantiate your point there seems to be a bit of a color revolution brewing there as well, which bodes ill for Slovakia. Hope they manage to keep their head above water in the same way Georgia did.
That said, I'm not sure I'd characterize this as a right vs left thing: I think it's pragmatism and realization that Europe is now a shit show and side show in the Great Game given that the US basically owns corporate Europe. The same sort of thing was happening in Romania until the sitting government collaborated with their intel to stage the judicial coup that de-legitimized Călin Georgescu's bid.
For sure - if you want to understand the standing that a country, or a country's administration, has in the eyes of Brussels, look to see if there is a colour revolution unfolding. You don't see a colour revolution in Hungary - a country with a very pro-Zionist administration.
I think Fico has always been an authentic Leftist - he maybe only recently came into conflict with the liberal orthodoxy of Brussels, but it was only a matter of time before a principled politician (and traditional Leftist) would come to blows with an unprincipled liberal elitist bureaucracy.
And I don't disagree with you - I don't see it as a Left vs Right thing - primarilly because I don't think there is much of an authentic Left in Europe - with a handful of notable exceptions. The vast majority of what is considered the "Left" in European politics is basically liberalism, the current incarnation of which is of course only superficially different to conservatism. It's moreso the establishment vs the authentic opposition thing - Fico authentically challenges the liberal orthodoxy.
People like Robert Fico in Slovakia, and to a maybe greater extent Sarah Wagenknecht in Germany, will always be marginalised as they are seen as challenging the existing order. Calin Georgescu in Romania, while designated politically far-Right by the MSM (whatever that means these days), was also deemed to be a sufficient threat, and was dealt with accordingly.
john helmer did an interview with nima alkhorshid yesterday that some folks might enjoy listening to, specifically with regard to john helmers take on victor orban...
Koskovics is fantastic except that every time he says “liberal” I substitute ‘anti-liberal’ or ‘hegemist.’
You all see that leftists talk democracy and human rights but are anti-democracy and anti-human rights. I tell they are anti-liberal as well. Please see that as well.
Post ww2 western ideology certainly bypassed Hungary and to a certain degree so did post cold war western ideology. The Hungarians have seen empires come and go over a relatively brief period of history so it is not much of a surprise that they have a high level of pragmatism. It is also not too surprising that Orban warmly welcomed Netanyahu, as I said, empires come and go.
I’m sorry for the forthcoming profanity but Fuck Liberal Values the World is in a shambles because of neoliberal ideology simple breakdown of A Liberal 1 Stinking Rich 2 Even more than Stinking Rich 3 it would take a large number of them 500 years to Count Their Money. There my Friends You have Neoliberalism.
I think Slovakia is a much more interesting "case study in dissent" in Europe - but of course, with Fico being a reasonably authentic Leftist it's example is much less interesting to the conservative commentators that unfortunately seem to have monopolized the debate - and cosequently Slovakia is studiously ignored.
But hasn't Fico has only relatively recently moved away from the liberal orthodoxy of Brussels?
But to substantiate your point there seems to be a bit of a color revolution brewing there as well, which bodes ill for Slovakia. Hope they manage to keep their head above water in the same way Georgia did.
That said, I'm not sure I'd characterize this as a right vs left thing: I think it's pragmatism and realization that Europe is now a shit show and side show in the Great Game given that the US basically owns corporate Europe. The same sort of thing was happening in Romania until the sitting government collaborated with their intel to stage the judicial coup that de-legitimized Călin Georgescu's bid.
For sure - if you want to understand the standing that a country, or a country's administration, has in the eyes of Brussels, look to see if there is a colour revolution unfolding. You don't see a colour revolution in Hungary - a country with a very pro-Zionist administration.
I think Fico has always been an authentic Leftist - he maybe only recently came into conflict with the liberal orthodoxy of Brussels, but it was only a matter of time before a principled politician (and traditional Leftist) would come to blows with an unprincipled liberal elitist bureaucracy.
And I don't disagree with you - I don't see it as a Left vs Right thing - primarilly because I don't think there is much of an authentic Left in Europe - with a handful of notable exceptions. The vast majority of what is considered the "Left" in European politics is basically liberalism, the current incarnation of which is of course only superficially different to conservatism. It's moreso the establishment vs the authentic opposition thing - Fico authentically challenges the liberal orthodoxy.
People like Robert Fico in Slovakia, and to a maybe greater extent Sarah Wagenknecht in Germany, will always be marginalised as they are seen as challenging the existing order. Calin Georgescu in Romania, while designated politically far-Right by the MSM (whatever that means these days), was also deemed to be a sufficient threat, and was dealt with accordingly.
The Establishment vs The Authentic Opposition.
I was hugely disappointed by Orban welcoming the criminal Netanyahu and shaking his hand instead of arresting him under the ICJ ruling.
We all were - but at the same time, was anyone really surprised?
john helmer did an interview with nima alkhorshid yesterday that some folks might enjoy listening to, specifically with regard to john helmers take on victor orban...
Koskovics is fantastic except that every time he says “liberal” I substitute ‘anti-liberal’ or ‘hegemist.’
You all see that leftists talk democracy and human rights but are anti-democracy and anti-human rights. I tell they are anti-liberal as well. Please see that as well.
Post ww2 western ideology certainly bypassed Hungary and to a certain degree so did post cold war western ideology. The Hungarians have seen empires come and go over a relatively brief period of history so it is not much of a surprise that they have a high level of pragmatism. It is also not too surprising that Orban warmly welcomed Netanyahu, as I said, empires come and go.
I’m sorry for the forthcoming profanity but Fuck Liberal Values the World is in a shambles because of neoliberal ideology simple breakdown of A Liberal 1 Stinking Rich 2 Even more than Stinking Rich 3 it would take a large number of them 500 years to Count Their Money. There my Friends You have Neoliberalism.
Paddy McQueenie
The Free Thinker