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Per Dørup's avatar

Right, and the European, actually the Norwegian opinion must also relearn diplomacy - and peace responsibility. Having read Diesen´s article in Aftenposten, I looked at the comments, 50, 60, until enough was enough. Everyone simply seemed to be russophobically indoctrinated. "Diesen was an Russian agent" etc. How stupid, ignorant and unvarnished can a politically correct streamlined mob mass be!

But it also struck me: Can their 100 pct loyality to their imperialists also be explained by the fact that they expect to share in their war booty, currently in Ukraine - well, that is - as long as they themselves are protected in their comfort zones?

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Kojo's avatar

Yes, Norway like the rest of the Nordics is almost 100% brainwashed. Just like Ukraine. The danger is they are ready for the US to "Ukraine" them. Mote this week the Nowegian government announced that it was increading "allied" military activity zones near their border to Russia.

People are stupid.

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Kate's avatar

Poland is just as Russoghobic, warmongering and stupid.

No lessons learned from history.

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Jmn's avatar
May 22Edited

Why?, Europe is the pinacle of diplomatic relations savour faire in the persons of Kaya Kallas and Baerbock, Why should it change?

These two grotesque things each time they open their mouths, they breach 300 years of Westphalian painstakingly learned diplomatic langue and manners. They are just plain rude.

Diplomacy once was a state corps, nowadays any animal may pose as ambassador or foreign minister. Moreover we see today that sense is no more, what counts is the number of sound bites you may produce to the public.

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Richard Larose's avatar

Europe must remember and learn from its horrific history. They still need an imaginary enemy, Russia to use their new military toys, when they could profit from doing business with their neighbour, Russia.

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2033ICP's avatar

This is like an upbringing in a narcissistic family in a narcissistic society.

Is it likely to change attitude and behaviour while in power and control?

Never because unfortunately evil doesn’t want to change.

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Renate Bridenthal's avatar

The issue of POWER (economic, military) belongs in this discussion. Relationships between states are not only about ideas like domination. They follow from material realities.

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A Skeptic's avatar

Thanks for your great work Glenn!

We've shared the link on our daily report.

A Skeptic War Reports

https://askeptic.substack.com/

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Claudette Leece's avatar

The west must learn diplomacy, problem is some countries like Canada have no diplomats, just people they pick the name out of hat and wing it. Trump uses Whitkoff as one so would he be okay with a janitor operating on him? Being loyal to your master is not a qualification for dealing with such important issues that Trump has no clue what he is even dealing with. Guess no one told Trump that not everything is numbers and balancing a Leger. This is human lives that are part of it, although he seems to acknowledge the lives in this conflict even if his numbers are bs concerning Russia, but amazing how he has blind spot concerning the thousand of lives his government are eliminating in Gaza. He condemns Africa for the death of white folks, no surprise had they been blacks it would never been brought up, but again Palestine lives aren’t even worth a mention from him.

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Richard Larose's avatar

Gaza provoked Israel and should bear the consequences. It is a snake pit where they raise terrorist children using the billions in aid we sent them over 70 years. Stop thinking with your ovaries, Claudette.

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Kojo's avatar

The documented history is actuslly that "Israel" has committed terrorist acts and occupied Palestine for many decades. All Illegal and actually crumes against hunanity.

This report is from 2017 and it shows one example of why its a lie about "provoking" anyone. Israel has made Gaza a concentration czmp for decades now.

https://unsco.unmissions.org/sites/default/files/gaza_10_years_later_-_11_july_2017.pdf

Free palestine. They like all people, have the right to exist as their own free nation, independent of Israeli oppression.

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Claudette Leece's avatar

Typical yankee blame innocent children for what the adults do. Israel is raising their kids to be terrorists, everyone can see that and proud Canadas PM is sanctioning that evil Netanyahu. You must live under a rock if you have not seen the outrage across the world in what’s happening in Gaza, but the US doesn’t care. It supported and funded Johlani, that’s the kind of people the US likes. Same as they send the Taliban millions every year. Then when the US cries crocodile tears when soldiers get killed, like Johlani did to many, they can’t figure out how that happened. As for overlies sunshine without them, you wouldn’t exist

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Richard Larose's avatar

You should concentrate on ridding the Palestinians of HAMAS. They don't care about their women and children, they are safe in their tunnels.

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The Talking Wombat's avatar

Israel has been creating ethnocide since its creation. The only way Gaza provoked Israel is by Palestinian existence. Israel covets land which is also why it is in Syria and Lebanon. It is a very short narrative. Israel has historically stolen the land at the expense of its inhabitants. Now tell me the fairy tale how Gaza provoked Israel. I'm waiting, Richard.

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Richard Larose's avatar

Hamas torturing, killing, raping and kidnaping innocent civilians is not enough for you ?

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The Talking Wombat's avatar

You must be referring to the IDF, Richey.

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Richard Larose's avatar

Israelites were in their country 2,000 years before Islam. The Romans renamed it Palestine to piss the Jews off. Gaza was Philistine... May the strongest and most intelligent win this war, and may the Women of Palestine move on to marry better men than those Hamas thugs hiding in their tunnels. Guess it's time for the Palestinians to take a hike like the Jews had to do.

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The Talking Wombat's avatar

That is a false narrative, Richey. Do your homework. The Palestinians, no matter what they were called at the time, have been living in the land for at least 6,000 years. They are the land. The Israelis are guilty of land theft by mostly white Europeans and North Americans no matter what you say.

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Ferenc Koncz's avatar

All European Imperial powers built Ideologies of Supremacy (religious, historic dogma combines with economic, military Doctrines) to push their brutally coercive cultures of Supremacy. They do it even today. They have not learnt from their Supremacist barbarism of the past 110 years that resulted in the brutal killing of over 100 Million people. They obliviously and arrogantly push the same Supremacist Brutality, only Ideologies change.

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